Friday, February 10, 2006
A family we met through the Fialas (we spent yesterday at their house doing projects around the house):
At the Fiala's house again; Hannah is a serious driver, look at that face!
I ate a piece of dry ice a few days ago. It was great! It causes intense, um, burping, so it was very fortunate that I only ate a very small piece.
And here's a short and incomplete list of comments and what I thought offhand:
"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution." 2Ti 3:12
True, but isn't didn't sin that required sacrifice only occur after the fall? There would not have been a need for the shed blood of Christ if sin did not exist. Let me stress again what I said the first time; I'm not implying that the closer you are to God in this life the less pain you will have, or the farther away the more pain you will have. Rather I'm asking if pain is a result of the fall, or a consequence of that action taken in the garden that brought a curse upon us.
Emotional cannot simply be chalked up to a lack of peace with God. Jesus is said to have wept on several occasions in the Bible. Was that not emotional pain? Sure it was. Are we to say that Jesus was not grieved deeply over lost souls? Sure He was. A true peace with God MUST lead us to emotional pain over the things in this world that oppose the kingdom of God and over people who do not know Him. All pain in and of itself does not constitute disharmony with our maker.
Again, I'm not implying pain is the result of direct sin, but rather a result of the human race that IS full of sin and wickedness and turned away from God.
What are your thoughts? Do you have scriptures?
The only one that popped into my mind was the one in Revelation that you quoted; "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." Rev 21:4 KJV
I don't know if it's maybe because I'm on the road or what (probably I'm just lazy!) but I just feel like reading your comments and thinking about them, instead of coming up with replies to them.
ETA: Check out John's blog, a recent addition to the list on my sidebar.